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0>0
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Post » 31 Mar 2014, 23:43

did anyone heard about the emulators?
i'ts will help anyone don't have money to buy the game consoles or in a country don't selling it.
so if anyone know any emulator or need any emulator or need any help about emulator just post here.
here is my emulators:
NES: fceus
SNES: zsnesw
Game Boy Advance: visual boy advance
DS: desmume
Wii: dolphin
Game Cube: dolphin
that's all emulators i'm using.

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Flutter Skye
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Post » 31 Mar 2014, 23:56

Emulators and roms are Illegal.
This forum doesn't support piracy, Reported.
Last edited by Flutter Skye on 01 Apr 2014, 00:01, edited 1 time in total.

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MM102
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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:00

Emulators aren't illegal, but the act of downloading a rom is illegal

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:04

MM102 wrote:downloading a rom is illegal
why?

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Flutter Skye
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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:06

Because you buy games, and downloading these games, without paying for them,is technically stealing. And a lot of game companies suffer because of that.

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MM102
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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:11

porting/dumping a rom yourself, from your own personal games, for your own personal use, is legal. [citation needed]

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Sašo
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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:16

It's a grey area and I'll allow anything that's basically not linking directly to game downloads.

Emulators are not illegal In Germany to my knowledge. Not sure about anything "backup copy" (except that next to nobody uses them as backups) related, but still.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:24

You may want to entirely remove the first post.
Just a thought.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:33

MP (I'm calling you this for now on), clearly the OP knows what he's doing.
Just look at his other posts! He's pure genius, and if you're too lazy to look at his posts, play some of his mappacks, which are pure gems, for example, "THE BEST MAPPACK," and its recent successor, aptly-named "THE BEST MAPPACK2."

Can't you see everything's under control here?[/sarcasm]

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 00:52

MagicPillow wrote:You may want to entirely remove the first post.
Just a thought.
Why? Emulators are perfectly legal, and there's nothing illegal in the first post.

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Mr.Q.Marx?
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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:02

You can easily play homebrew games on an emulator, which is legal.
Playing games you download from the internet that you should have paid for: illegal.
Yes. Even games you can not legitimately buy from the games companies and have to buy second hand meaning noone on the production team is able to profit.
Even those games are illegal to download.
You have to find them and pay a random dude at a car boot sale or online auction house and hope the cartridge still works.
Because otherwise Sega will not speak to you at social events.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:28

generally people only care about piracy if the game's still being made, because then you're actually taking money from the dev. if it's not being made any more it doesn't really matter. nintendo did release an official "can you not" statement, but that's just so they can resell games on the VC and drown in money
plus it's only illegal if you get caught, and no-one's gonna be looking for people downloading 1990 games when people are out there downloading 2014 games

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:30

Mr.Q.Marx? wrote:You can easily play homebrew games on an emulator, which is legal.
Playing games you download from the internet that you should have paid for: illegal.
Yes. Even games you can not legitimately buy from the games companies[...]
Also, it is illegal to download a game even of you legally own the original copy(generally speaking, it is illegal to download any game, regardless of ownership of an original copy).
The only legal way to play commercial games on emulators is to create a copy of the game you want to play by yourself(it is kinda expensive to do so with cartridges, but it can be done), or if it is abandonware, in which case it can be legally downloaded.
For this thread's sake, all that's needed is to never mention and/or ask the source of the game(s) you want to play on an emulator.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:35

Camewel wrote:plus it's only illegal if you get caught
So is killing someone is only illegal if you get caught, by the same principal?
Please don't try this. Murder is illegal no matter what.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:40

MagicPillow wrote:
Camewel wrote:plus it's only illegal if you get caught
So is killing someone is only illegal if you get caught, by the same principal?
Please don't try this. Murder is illegal no matter what.
it's not a literal saying silly
it basically means that as long as you don't get caught, the legality doesn't really matter
so yes if you murder someone and no-one knows it doesn't really matter that it was illegal as you're not going to get charged for it

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:55

Camewel wrote:generally people only care about piracy if the game's still being made, because then you're actually taking money from the dev. if it's not being made any more it doesn't really matter.
That reminds me of the MAME rule.
I wonder how's the case with Master System games, cuz even though it's a late 80's console, it was still being sold in Brazil until recently(2008 or 2009 i think).

Camewel wrote: so yes if you murder someone and no-one knows it doesn't really matter that it was illegal as you're not going to get charged for it
Nice confession logic.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 01:57

TheSeek wrote:
Camewel wrote:so yes if you murder someone and no-one knows it doesn't really matter that it was illegal as you're not going to get charged for it
Nice confession logic.
but hey I'm not gonna get charged for it

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 03:42

Emulators are not illegal, but I'm sure everyone here already knew that.
Downloading a ROM from the internet is also, technically speaking, not illegal.
What IS illegal is the distribution of the ROM, and thus, the legal liability falls on the provider of the ROMs, not the end user. Not trying to test the grey area and not trying to support or suggest linking ROM downloads here, but just putting this here so people know.
Per fair use, you are actually allowed to archive your own games, and play them via emulation. It's once you upload these files to the internet and share it is when it's illegal.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 13:01

Camewel wrote:...it's only illegal if you get caught...
I think I seem to remember a middle eastern law to this effect on stealing.
It's odd because it still provides the same legal system of being caught leading to punishment but it makes it seem like it's almost daring you to get good at the crime.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 14:43

i use ROMs of games i didn't pay for

DOES THAT MAKE ME A HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING

(most of them are from the 2000s at the newest)

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 17:25

Well,Nintendo Already did the Wii U,who will buy a Super Nintendo just for play Super Mario World and stuff?


I think ROM of old ( very old ) games shouldn't be an illegal thing

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 17:40

The FBI and BPOL almost always check this forum. Directly admitting to crimes should probably be avoided.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 18:07

I don't think they care too much about ROMs. They look for more serious things.
Also, are they REALLY the FBI and BPOL? Because I doubt it...

Anyway, I agree with Saulo. I think +20 years old games should be allowed always. I mean, who still makes money after 20 years of a game?

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 18:35

mindnomad wrote: Downloading a ROM from the internet is also, technically speaking, not illegal.
Ok, what you're saying is that downloading an illegal unauthorized copy(without paying) of a commercial copyrighted product you should have paid for, is not illegal...no offense, but that's dumb.

HugoBDesigner wrote: Anyway, I agree with Saulo. I think +20 years old games should be allowed always. I mean, who still makes money after 20 years of a game?
It's not about making money out of old games(which, btw, companies actually do...Nintendo and its VC, SEGA Mega Drive Classics on Steam, and others), it's about copyrights, and although it might seem absurd, copyrights go on for decades, usually 70-100 years for any intellectual property(which include videogames).

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 19:28

Emulators are not illegal but ROMS are. Even the whole "second copy" thing actually seems like a grey area. Instead of continuing this, just read Nintendo's stance on it: https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#roms
Nintendo wrote:U.S. copyright laws state that copyrights owned by corporations are valid for 75 years from the date of first publication. Because video games have been around for less than three decades, the copyrights of all video games will not expire for many decades to come.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 20:24

Nintendo wrote:Because video games have been around for less than three decades
Nice job Nintendo, considering the first home console was 42 years ago and the first videogames were 50-60 years ago.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 20:37

TheSeek wrote:
Nintendo wrote:Because video games have been around for less than three decades
Nice job Nintendo, considering the first home console was 42 years ago and the first videogames were 50-60 years ago.
Give 'em a break, it might not have been updated in a while.

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Post » 01 Apr 2014, 20:45

I also was concerned about this stance. Here's my post from February.
Mr.Q.Marx? wrote:http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#download_rom
Nintendo wrote:Because video games have been around for less than three decades
OXO: 1952
Tennis for Two: 1958
Spacewar!: 1962
Periscope: 1967
Speedway: 1968
PONG: 1972

Nintendo. Learn to wikipedia.
I can understand Nintendo though. They have a Virtual Console for these things.
However, third party games which will not be ever be re-released like Home Alone shouldn't be as much of a problem. I mean they still are and are viewed as piracy but Nintendo doesn't go after websites in the same way it does for it's own games.
Doormat wrote:Give 'em a break, it might not have been updated in a while.
30 years is a long time not to update your website. I assure you that Nintendo (one of the biggest companies in the world) has updated.
Also the world wide web is not old enough for that comment to ever have been true.

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 01:44

TheSeek wrote:
mindnomad wrote: Downloading a ROM from the internet is also, technically speaking, not illegal.
Ok, what you're saying is that downloading an illegal unauthorized copy(without paying) of a commercial copyrighted product you should have paid for, is not illegal...no offense, but that's dumb.
It is, but doesn't mean it's not frowned upon.

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 01:55

so you're saying it is illegal, and shockingly that it's also frowned upon??

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 02:07

It is dumb that it's not illegal. But just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean that it isn't frowned upon.

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 02:19

no but it is illegal (I guess based on location laws vary but still)

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 02:20

mindnomad wrote:It is dumb that it's not illegal. But just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean that it isn't frowned upon.
Then i guess you didnt understand what i meant...I didnt meant that downloading ROMs being not illegal is dumb, i meant that what you said is dumb, cuz downloading ROMs is actually illegal...
Seriously, how can you even think that it is legal to not pay for a software you should have paid for?

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 02:38

Why does this topic even exist.
ROMs are illegal but unless you go advertising it like no tomorrow most people won't give two shits.
Why does this need discussion.

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 02:55

TheSeek wrote:
mindnomad wrote:It is dumb that it's not illegal. But just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean that it isn't frowned upon.
Then i guess you didnt understand what i meant...I didnt meant that downloading ROMs being not illegal is dumb, i meant that what you said is dumb, cuz downloading ROMs is actually illegal...
Seriously, how can you even think that it is legal to not pay for a software you should have paid for?
I'm not thinking anything. These are facts. However it does vary depending where you live. Yeah, if you start selling ROMs that don't belong to you in the first place, that's illegal.Creating your own archived copy is legal if it's for personal use. Read up. I'm gonna stop responding here before people start shooting me down again for giving my two cents on the matter.

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Post » 02 Apr 2014, 15:44

If someone's willing to open a thread that won't be discussing the legality of emulators (because it doesn't fucking matter) while not mentioning where or why or how they run roms for those emulators, feel free to do so.