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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 17:52

Smear-Gel wrote:I wanna do checkpoints in sublevels and plagiarism one.
Go for it!
Smear-Gel wrote:I still dont see the problem with the shell puzzle map (it was pretty fun )
It was four times the same challenge, with no variation. Also,
Smear-Gel wrote:since I got stuck when I ran out of enemies to use.
Smear-Gel wrote:unportalable everything (that's just a level style I can see being used in good ways)
I think every time it's possible(i.e: it don't make the level too easy), we should allow portaling.

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 18:36

Minor edit to 2-1, it adds reset pipes.

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Smear-Gel wrote:I still dont see the problem with the shell puzzle map (it was pretty fun )
Now do the same thing 32 more times, with each variation removing several blocks. There's a reason I made it "OVERUSE OF DIFFICULT SHELL PUZZLES"
Combo Water+Puzzles level
Now these can work if done right (my own map A0zora has one for 4-3)

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 18:48

Automatik wrote:
  • Shitty tileset
Isn't this covered well enough in 'ugly levels'?

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 19:50

Mr.Q.Marx? wrote:
Automatik wrote:
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Isn't this covered well enough in 'ugly levels'?
That's using the default tile set.

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 20:49

Automatik wrote: It was four times the same challenge, with no variation.
It's one level.
Superjustinbros wrote:
Smear-Gel wrote:I still dont see the problem with the shell puzzle map (it was pretty fun )
Now do the same thing 32 more times, with each variation removing several blocks. There's a reason I made it "OVERUSE OF DIFFICULT SHELL PUZZLES"
But it doesnt seem overused because that seems like a perfectly fine shell puzzle level. Theme levels can exist and I dont see why that's a problem.

If we cannot adequately show what the problem is (apparently, overuse) then the level is pointless. And the description being just "shell puzzles" sounds like a "never do shell puzzles." and makes it worse.

"overusing a puzzle theme" maybe. "shell puzzles without reset pipes" totally.

But at this point it's just "SJB doesnt like shell puzzles and so suggested we make this"

If unportalable levels is such a bad Idea why did enough people suggest the option to not have a portal gun to the point where it got implemented in SE?
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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 20:51

Smear-Gel wrote:
Automatik wrote: It was four times the same challenge, with no variation.
It's one level.
It's still four times the same challenge, and doing the same challenge four times is pointless.

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 20:53

I guess I'm just unable to understand.

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 21:13

Smear-Gel wrote:If unportalable levels is such a bad Idea why did enough people suggest the option to not have a portal gun to the point where it got implemented in SE?
Well, when people asked for a "classic" mode, Maurice didn't implement it.
Here, the difference is that you can also have a semi-functional portal-gun(shoot only blue/orange portal), which can serve for cool puzzles.

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 21:43

@Smear:


If you want to see how the overuse of shell puzzles can become problematic, just play 0'bros from the beginning of the second world. You're usually provided with one koopa to solve multiple puzzles, and it gets really insane with the fourth castle. By the seventh, you have to re-locate the Koopa Shells a lot with portals.

I'm thinking of taking the worst and most over-the-top levels 0'Bros has to offer in this category and putting them as optional sub-areas of 2-1.

If anyone wants an example of a bad maze, try 3-3 from Mario & Princess Peach. I'm also thinking there should be a level dedicated to glitch abusing. There's also the sheer number of problems that could be developed from the mappack Mario Exploration, like "INVISIBLE LEVELS/HIDDEN PATHS w/ PITFALLS" (3-4), "CHECKPOINTS IN (large) SUBLEVELS" (3-1), "STUCK IF BIG MARIO" (6-4), "TRAP WARPS TO PREVIOUS WORLDS" (also 6-4, try to enter the left or right ends of the escape pod instead of the center).
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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 22:28

Whether or not a completely unportalable level is good or bad seems to be entirely based on preference to me. And SJB, then i'd say a more appropriate level name would be "overuse of a difficult puzzle element" because just naming the level shell puzzles is still bad.

I dunno probably This map pack isnt meant for me.

I'll just submit my level. http://www.mediafire.com/?7dv23p26p4jm7g5

(I did play the world z castle and still have no idea how to pass the first room though, holy crap that was hard. I still have no issue with it besides "it's a ridiculously hard puzzle" though)

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Post » 19 Feb 2013, 22:45

Smear-Gel wrote:Whether or not a completely unportalable level is good or bad seems to be entirely based on preference to me. And SJB, then i'd say a more appropriate level name would be "overuse of a difficult puzzle element" because just naming the level shell puzzles is still bad.

I dunno probably This map pack isnt meant for me.

I'll just submit my level. http://www.mediafire.com/?7dv23p26p4jm7g5

(I did play the world z castle and still have no idea how to pass the first room though, holy crap that was hard. I still have no issue with it besides "it's a ridiculously hard puzzle" though)

Yea, "Overuse of a difficult puzzle element" is probably a better way to put it as.

EDIT: Tried your level. It's more of a level that's meant to be played by itself without any of the other levels, and you should add "If you want checkpoints in sub levels, add a small room on the main level connected to the sub level, so they work." The "C" checkpoint entity graphic should be a standard tile placable in the level, along with the entity in the same square to better illustrate this issue.

When you do get killed in the sub level, you're stuck indefinitely in the main level, dropping you to your death until you shut the game off.

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3-4: "INVISIBLE LEVELS":

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I've been considering of adding in up to five sub levels from 0'Bros that will be placed in 2-1. For this to work, I need red-colored "Back" and "Next" pipe tip graphics, and an "End" block graphic like the "Skip" one.

Here are the candidates for worst shell puzzles in 0'Bros, besides what I have in now:
  • 1-4_3
    2-3_1 (if you want to take the bottom exit)
    3-2
    3-4_1
    4-1_1
    4-3_1 (not that bad, it's short, and you do get more than one Koopa to play with.)
    4-4_2
    6-3_1
    7-4
8-2 from the same map pack could work for a "MEAN JUMPS" level.

I'll repeat this; Bridge rooms (ala 1-1) are fine when they're not long and one bridge doesn't take up the entirety of the level.
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Post » 20 Feb 2013, 00:37

7-4 is absolutely insane.

And yeah, I think I'd execute a map like this differently than you guys would, so I'll sit this one out. Plus that amount of writing would probably make me lose my mind.

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Post » 20 Feb 2013, 05:53

I think I'm going to bring up that cameos are another thing that are fine if A) they're done right and B) if they're not done in extreme numbers or on every level. Maybe have the last bit of the one TTNBC-related stage retitled "OVERLOAD ON CAMEOS" even if it's only just me in this case.

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Post » 20 Feb 2013, 15:30

4-1:Bullet Bills Race:

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Post » 20 Feb 2013, 18:53

Superjustinbros wrote:I think I'm going to bring up that cameos are another thing that are fine if A) they're done right and B) if they're not done in extreme numbers or on every level. Maybe have the last bit of the one TTNBC-related stage retitled "OVERLOAD ON CAMEOS" even if it's only just me in this case.

That would be a good idea. Something felt weird about playing that level too but I never bothered to say anything.

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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 03:06

SJB, DON'T SUBMIT ANOTHER LEVEL WITH WHITE TEXT IN THE OVERWORLD.
...sorry, it's just kind of annoying.

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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 03:46

I like how this is coming along

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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 04:05

I like that I'm already involved in a major group project here! (Idea and much of level design)

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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 04:13

Turret Opera wrote:SJB, DON'T SUBMIT ANOTHER LEVEL WITH WHITE TEXT IN THE OVERWORLD.
...sorry, it's just kind of annoying.
Really? I can read it clear as day. (especially since the black text is very hard to see in the editor, so half the time I forget it's there.

As long as you update the different versions of the levels I fixed (making 1-4 skippable since it's evil difficulty-wise, same goes for 2-3), I'll make sure to remember using black text with the cyan overworld background.

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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 13:04

You could make the back text white, then use that. I know you can read it during the day, but the white text was for underground / castle levels.
Also, yeah, I'm including your edited versions.
EDIT2: Also, SJB, although you can read white text clearly during the day, using black text make it have higher contrast, so it's actually easier to read black text.

EDIT: Tested BULLET BILL RACE, and I had to use bullettime (pa ting crash!) and I still couldn't pass it. Perfect!
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Post » 21 Feb 2013, 20:39

Also, i think there must be really good map with some puzzles, checkpoints and etc. But it must be non-tested

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Post » 22 Feb 2013, 01:05

4-3: PLAGIARISM

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Post » 23 Feb 2013, 05:16

"PLAGIARISM" is perfect, but I failed to much so I made it skippable.

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Superjustinbros
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Post » 23 Feb 2013, 20:58

Edit of World 3-2's first room.

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Oh, and in regards to the tiles, why don't we add a drop shadow to the white font, kind of like what I did with the font in my Mari0 and Not Pac-Man mods?

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 00:00

Turret Opera wrote:"PLAGIARISM" is perfect, but I failed to much so I made it skippable.
OK, and I am putting through a suggestion for a level (I made a castle example, because we still need 4-4, but this can be done with any level):

4-4: DRAINS, DRAINS, AND MORE DRAINS

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 00:57

4-4 was good, but it felt a little too short for me, and in particular I didn't like the usage of the "crappy tiles". Then again this is an "How not to make a map pack", so I won't go too hard on it but maybe add in a tile with collision/invisible properties on so they act as one-way tiles you can't see so you have to swim around a "z" without dropping below the blank areas or return to a prior segment.

Anyone around here able to add more tiles so I can properly see the rest of the 0'Bros. levels (the 2-1 subrooms and 4-2) in this mappack?

5-1 should be maybe "Glitch Entities" where you combine two properties normally not intended to go together to get something... weird as they say. This only works if you tell the player(s) beforehand.
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5-2 could be "Glitch Abuse"; I'll see about constructing it later.

2-4 I think should read "unportable normal tiles" since it's camouflaging standard tiles to make then non-portable and almost impossible to tell apart from the normal portable tiles.

I'm sure there's a level we can snatch from Mario's Journey or Mario Exploration, since a lot of those levels are good examples on how not to make a map pack.
Oh, and if we need room for eight more levels, we can always do a World 9 and World 0, since those worlds you can create without modding.

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5-3 could be "Untested Level(s)", where you can't win the level because just one tile is not placed on a pipe entry entity. I remember playing a level just like this in a mappack some time ago, but I don't recall which one. It had like a "glitch" sort of feeling to it with random tile placements, and it was an entrance to an underwater segment, but the bottom of the pipe, where the entity was placed on, consisted of a non-solid tile.

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 03:22

Quick question,
What happens if you make an invisible block non-portable?

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 04:43

We need a list of levels in the first post. (So people can know what they can make)

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 09:32

5-2 could be "Glitch Abuse"; I'll see about constructing it later.
U can create little tunnel in bottom of screen and army of koopas on top

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 19:42

While I was banned, I whipped up some more tiles. I want to see some water levels in this mappack, and I made a ? for SJB's TNBC map.
No "odd tile properties" ecause that's why I made MS PAINT tiles.
Last edited by TurretBot on 24 Feb 2013, 19:48, edited 3 times in total.

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 19:44

In the meantime, here's a 4-4 edit.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1p1pv4r7eldf16m

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5-2_1

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 20:13

Superjustinbros wrote:In the meantime, here's a 4-4 edit.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1p1pv4r7eldf16m
Huh. Actually better! And did you like the Portal testing at the end?

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Post » 24 Feb 2013, 20:24

JWinslow23 wrote:
Superjustinbros wrote:In the meantime, here's a 4-4 edit.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1p1pv4r7eldf16m
Huh. Actually better! And did you like the Portal testing at the end?
Quite yeah, Though the Cube had to be moved a tile to the left, it was pretty neat.

2-4 edit. Now all the Castle tiles are truly non-portable, and edited title.

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Edited World 2-1, now with three more (optional) rooms.
http://www.mediafire.com/?u02ob32npypn76n

EDIT: World 1-1 edit.

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(One more Edit) Hey fellas, Remember Fartzilla? the guy that did one of the DLC maps? Turns out his "Untitled Game"'s 3-2 (along with 3-3 from Mario & Princess Peach, as mentioned earlier) would be perfect for a "Repetitive Mazes" map.

(Yet another Edit): You know what'd be a good idea? As a sublevel for 2-4, influenced by our buddy Q Mark, how about "PORTABLE GREY BLOCKS" as an opposite to the main level?

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Post » 25 Feb 2013, 23:51

Superjustinbros wrote:5-2 could be "Glitch Abuse"; I'll see about constructing it later.
Perhaps the following level codes will help?

5-2.txt:

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5-2_1.txt:

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How to beat the level: Jump on the Koopas and glitch through the light bridges.

Use the glitch in the level.

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 00:24

@JWinslow23
I made it 5-1_2 and altered the tiles so it'd match the other tiles in the previous room.

Also, a small tileset upgrade...
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Here's all the updates rolled into one: http://www.mediafire.com/?96zqm402cq443ak
Take note you will have to add a pipe entry entity in 2-4_1 in order to leave the optional "PORTABLE GREY TILES".

Dear god I'm having so much fun with this project. :}}} May decide to put in another 0'Bros shell puzzle in 2-1, the one that comes before the other bonus ones.

EDIT: Here's everything we have thus far all in one convent place, updated and polished.
http://www.mediafire.com/?o2v3yzzk6m4v40x

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 01:18

Actually, I've been updating the tileset too. I forgot to upload it, but:
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Moar MS Paint and some new water stuff, a ? for TNBC, and the white text clashes with normal background.

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 01:54

Maybe someone can use some of these tiles for a level for the people who don't remove the white background on their custom tiles (I removed the properties area so they do work). Just a suggestion

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Also, with the white text on light blue, remember the HUD also uses white text

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 02:06

White text is for underground levels.
Actually you know what I think I'll just remove the black text, nobody likes it. =(

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 02:26

Turret Opera wrote:White text is for underground levels.
Actually you know what I think I'll just remove the black text, nobody likes it. =(
Keep the black text. It looks fine as it is and it'd be a little too much going in to replace it all...

As for the tileset additions, the "?" for the TTNBC should be in the style of the rest of the text. Here's my edit:
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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 02:32

We don't need EVERY smb tile, and you didn't use every TNBC tile so we can save space by replacing them.
Gah you know what KEEP THE CHANGES.
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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 02:42

Turret Opera wrote:We don't need EVERY smb tile, and you didn't use every TNBC tile so we can save space by replacing them.
Gah you know what KEEP THE CHANGES
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Sounds like a good ploy.

EDIT: 3-3 modification with more believable title (it's not that bad of a map when you figure it out, I guess we could replace it with something from Mario & Princess Peach since it has more brutal "Mean Jumps" than 0'Bros.)

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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 02:51

Whatever.
Posting the world 4 v2 demo. Not testing any levels unless they bide with the tileset in the update (aka replacing unused tiles or adding on but not changing order of them or changing them (aka not being sjb)) which is the one I posted earlier.
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Post » 26 Feb 2013, 04:19

Update to 5-2_1:

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But yeah, we can always replace whatever MSPaint SMB or TTNBC tiles we don't use with others, just so the tileset remains compact.

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 00:43

We're not using "3-3" (mean jumps) since it's un winnable and that's already "FORCED SMALL" so yeah. 5-1 I'll be testing.
Some SMB tiles don't even HAVE transparency but those are in your tiles, so we're not using that.
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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 02:28

More testing...

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Put in a sublevel for this to function the best.

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 02:57

SJB, your level was great, I gave it a "snow" theme because everything was white.
5-2 is being changed into a ghost house level...

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 03:26

For those wondering, I have passed the Mean Jumps level several times; you have to charge up in an indefinite loop, launch it where the coins on the top left are marked, and then proceed to jump almost the instant you set foot on each ground. For the last jump, you have to stall it a bit before making the jump. It is possible, but it's quite hard to figure out when you have that high a speed, it's possible to remain traveling fast even w/o orange gel as long as you remain in the air as much as possible. Just like the cameos and shell puzzles, they can only work if done correctly, providing enough information and clues as to what has to be done, which Baf didn't really make it so when he created the level some time ago, since I didn't know you wouldn't come to a halt immediately when stepping on standard non-gel ground after building up. I did make the title of the level "Blind/Puzzle Jumps without Hints", not long after.

3-1 is "Forced Small", unless it's my 3-1 and your 3-3.
5-2 made into a Ghost House
yay more cliche themes...

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 03:54

Superjustinbros wrote:3-1 is "Forced Small", unless it's my 3-1 and your 3-3.[/size]
3-1 is "EMPTY LEVELS"
3-3 is "FORCED SMALL"

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 05:46

Turret Opera wrote:
Superjustinbros wrote:3-1 is "Forced Small", unless it's my 3-1 and your 3-3.[/size]
3-1 is "EMPTY LEVELS"
3-3 is "FORCED SMALL"
Shoot, I never put "Empty Levels" into my copy of the mappack. :[

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Post » 27 Feb 2013, 23:12

What do you think of this? (Only tested as small)

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First sublevel code:

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